CleansingRain 49 Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) Back at it again but this time for the Suras that are left in the dark. For the people that have recently started Sura, I suggest going here for pre-Inquisitor gears: Trait/Attribute Stats: POW: 100 STA: 0 WIS: 0 SPL: 0 CON: 97 CRT: 0 Gears: Spoiler Upper Headgear Temporal Circlet (Sura) [1] (Old Glast Heim: Challenge Mode) Enchantment List Unyielding | Temporal Jewel (STR) / (VIT) Lv. 3 | Any Tiger Cannon Third Flame Bomb Diamond | Temporal Jewel (STR) / (VIT) Lv. 3 | Any Tiger Cannon Third Flame Bomb Unyielding | Temporal Jewel (LUK) / (DEX) Lv. 3 | Any Tiger Cannon Third Flame Bomb Why LUK3 or DEX3? This is for the people that don't want to minmax, these enchants still gives you 6% ATK @ +12 Thanos' Champion Helmet-LT (Tomb of Remorse) Skill List Tiger Cannon Needs testing vs. Temporal Circlet (Sura) [1] Lower Headgear Blue Ninja Mask [0] (@warp nif_dun02) It's just a better Spiked Scarf [0] Sealed Chain [1] (@warp nif_dun02) Weaker than Battle Processor Bondage Necklace [0] (@warp nif_dun02) This makes using Sealed Chain a bit worth it. Even with entire combo, it's worse than Battle Processor ArmorsNothing here Weapons Poenitentia Caestus [2] (Tomb of Remorse) Enchantment List ATK +70 | Melee Physical Damage +15% | Physical Damage against Bosses +10% Tiger Cannon Third Flame Bomb Thanos Knuckle-AD [2] (Ghost Palace) BEST IN SLOT Enchantment List Size Nullification | Physical Damage against Bosses +10% Tiger Cannon Third Flame Bomb Ray Knuckle-LT [2] (NPC Instance Points) BEST IN SLOT Enchantment List Melee Physical Damage +12% | Physical Damage against Bosses +20% Tiger Cannon Third Flame Bomb Shields Mad Bunny-LT [1] (NPC Instance Points) BEST IN SLOT Enchantment List Third Flame Bomb Tiger Cannon Manteaus Convertible Physical Wing [1] (NPC Instance Points) BEST IN SLOT Better than Temporal Str Manteau Footgears Hero Boots-LT [1] (Fortessa Dungeon) Best in slot Enchantment List Valor of Fighter Accessories Heroic Token (Inquisitor) [1] (Mark Scroll drops in Fortessa Dungeons) Best in slot Hero's Badge [1] (Morse Cave Instance) Best in slot Ideal Enchantments: Strength | Fighting Spirit 7 | Any Brilliant Light Ruby Earring [1] (Revamped Thanatos Tower) *Not released yet, coming ??/??/3099 Enchantment List Empathy Lv5 | Divine Evil Lv5 Brilliant Light Ruby Necklace [1] (Revamped Thanatos Tower) *Not released yet, coming ??/??/3099 Enchantment List Empathy Lv5 | Divine Evil Lv5 Sinful Ruby Earring [1] (Revamped Thanatos Tower) *Not released yet, coming ??/??/3099 Enchantment List Anger Lv5 | Inverse Scale Lv5 Sinful Ruby Necklace [1] (Revamped Thanatos Tower) *Not released yet, coming ??/??/3099 Enchantment List Anger Lv5 | Inverse Scale Lv5 Shadow GearsObtained from Random Shadow Box Hasty Shadow Shield You have Snap / Body Relocation, you don't need this Infinity Shadow Shield Use when you don't have access to Size Nullification Durable Shadow Weapon Best in slot Durable Shadow Shield Use this if you have other ways of Size Nullification Kingbird Ancient Shadow Weapon Bad Obtained from Full Penetration Shadow Mix Full Penetration Shadow Earring Full Penetration Shadow Pendant Full Penetration Shadow Armor Full Penetration Shadow Shoes Can be used until you get your Maximum Mammoth Shadow set Which set is better to use? Armor + Shoes! Obtained from Maximum Mammoth Shadow Box Maximum Mammoth Shadow Earring Maximum Mammoth Shadow Pendant Maximum Mammoth Shadow Armor Maximum Mammoth Shadow Shoes BETTER THAN EVERYTHING Which set to use? Use which ever set you can get your hands on Obtained from Major Auto Spell Shadow Box Auto Spell Shadow Earring Auto Spell Shadow Pendant Can be a cheaper option over Maximum Mammoth Shadow Pendant Costume StonesObtained from Dual Stone Box Attack Speed (Dual) You won't really need this, you can bless and agi yourself Melee Stone (Dual) For the players that are using everything else that's not classified as Long Range Physical Damage Edited January 19, 2022 by CleansingRain Visual update 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sasame9821 1 Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) didn't munbalance already tested the convertable wings in one of his streams and said it was literally worse than a temporal str mant also since you added the lt boots thats not implemented wouldn't adding the sin accessory from the thanatos tower revamp be a good choice those give 20% total attack for just 1 accessory 10% for just the accessory and another +10% for the anger enchant Edited October 28, 2021 by sasame9821 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CleansingRain 49 Posted November 2, 2021 On 10/28/2021 at 1:07 AM, sasame9821 said: didn't munbalance already tested the convertable wings in one of his streams and said it was literally worse than a temporal str mant also since you added the lt boots thats not implemented wouldn't adding the sin accessory from the thanatos tower revamp be a good choice those give 20% total attack for just 1 accessory 10% for just the accessory and another +10% for the anger enchant Convertible Physical Wings (CPW) vs. Temporal Str Manteau (TSM), it depends on your setup but most of the time, CPW should be better than TSM. It's like the TSM vs Temporal Agi Manteau (TAM) debate for Cross Impact, some people do more with TSM (like me) whereas some others do more with TAM. Thanks, I'll be adding thana accessories soonTM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sasame9821 1 Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, CleansingRain said: Convertible Physical Wings (CPW) vs. Temporal Str Manteau (TSM), it depends on your setup but most of the time, CPW should be better than TSM. It's like the TSM vs Temporal Agi Manteau (TAM) debate for Cross Impact, some people do more with TSM (like me) whereas some others do more with TAM. Thanks, I'll be adding thana accessories soonTM I tested it out on my own CPW vs temporal str mant (10% HP enchant) CPW this is the highest hit I can get on CPW HP = 223k temporal STR mant this is the highest hit i can get with temp str HP = 233k I can kinda say munbalance testing was correct CPW does lose out to TSM even with a higher physical melee stat CPW battle stat VS TSM battle stat I think it loses out on TSM just because a typical inqui build already has too much saturation on melee physical damage I also tested it with a temporal circlet +12 with a diamond enchant 5 and I was getting the same result and I imagine it being more worse when we get the Thanatos tower revamp since we get wide access to the happiness giver combo giving a 55% increase on melee physical damage with 120 str but do I think that CPW will be good for anyone who doesn't have Kiel since you do need about 30% ACD to combo TC and TFB smoothly with CPW + victorious (10% acd) and a shield with 5% ACD you can cover the 30% PS: in the helm, I think for an all-around TC+TFB Thanos helm+wep combo comes out better than temp circlet since with it TC and TFB are almost equal in damage thanks to the high TC skill mod the helm + wep give 60% not LT and 72% with LT altho i imagine this will be replaced with Temp Circlet+diamond enchant when we get the Vivatus Fides Knuckle at grade [D] since it gives the same TC skill mod + with the diamond enchants HP increase doing overall higher damage Edited November 3, 2021 by sasame9821 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CleansingRain 49 Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) On 11/3/2021 at 3:43 AM, sasame9821 said: I think it loses out on TSM just because a typical inqui build already has too much saturation on melee physical damage I also tested it with a temporal circlet +12 with a diamond enchant 5 and I was getting the same result and I imagine it being more worse when we get the Thanatos tower revamp since we get wide access to the happiness giver combo giving a 55% increase on melee physical damage with 120 str but do I think that CPW will be good for anyone who doesn't have Kiel since you do need about 30% ACD to combo TC and TFB smoothly with CPW + victorious (10% acd) and a shield with 5% ACD you can cover the 30% PS: in the helm, I think for an all-around TC+TFB Thanos helm+wep combo comes out better than temp circlet since with it TC and TFB are almost equal in damage thanks to the high TC skill mod the helm + wep give 60% not LT and 72% with LT altho i imagine this will be replaced with Temp Circlet+diamond enchant when we get the Vivatus Fides Knuckle at grade [D] since it gives the same TC skill mod + with the diamond enchants HP increase doing overall higher damage Thanks for showing your findings, I do see your points on TSM being better. But like I've said before, it just depends on what you have. You just gotta test around which one / combo is better. Have you tried out using BP (8% ~ 10% Melee) with CPW? CPW + BP gives 7% ATK and 5% Melee, which is nice and would close the distance between them Also, with using CPW, you'll be able to use Auto Leg and Auto Booster L, from my findings with Counter Slash and Eternal Slash, I actually do more damage with the Auto set. You'll have to proc Overpower from the Auto Leg to do more damage, it's not consistent but it is more damage when it does. To know when you proc Overpower, open your stats and keep attacking until you get +50 Str If you don't have the materials, you can stick with that, but if you do have some of this stuff collecting dust in storage, are you able to test this out? Edited November 8, 2021 by CleansingRain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sasame9821 1 Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, CleansingRain said: Thanks for showing your findings, I do see you points on TSM being better. But like I've said before, it just depends on what you have. You just gotta test around which one / combo is better. Have you tried out using BP (8% ~ 10% Melee) with CPW? CPW + BP gives 7% ATK and 5% Melee, which is nice and would close the distance between them Also, with using CPW, you'll be able to use Auto Leg and Auto Booster L, from my findings with Counter Slash and Eternal Slash, I actually do more damage with the Auto set. You'll have to proc Overpower from the Auto Leg to do more damage, it's not consistent but it is more damage when it does. To know when you proc Overpower, open your stats and keep attacking until you get +50 Str If you don't have the materials, you can stick with that, but if you do have some of this stuff collecting dust in storage, are you able to test this out? yes I have tried with BP 5/5 Phys melee(borrowed) it's pretty much the same coming close to 106~108m but with the same BP on TSM im able to reach about 114~116m melee physical damage BP in my finding favors TSM more this kinda just tells me that physical melee is just too saturated with inquisitor that attacks get a heavier output as for the auto boots, I don't have one but I actually was testing it with illusion boots once, and yeah when the overpower proc it would beat kssi + boot even unlimited vital proc beats kssi+boot combo the only bottleneck is the proc which sometimes doesn't happen im still gunna try and get my hands on an auto boot for a more solid look on it would take a while tho I don't have a booster and I just get my auto equip from quests Edited November 3, 2021 by sasame9821 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
